See also
Husband:
William ARMSTRONG (1815-1900)
Wife:
Elizabeth Phoebe LUCAS (1802- )
Children:
Marriage:
William ARMSTRONG
Name:
William ARMSTRONG1
Sex:
Male
Father:
Father:
-
Birth:
27 Nov 1815
Residence:
There are 2 Milltowns in Offaly. With the english name Armstrong it is assumed that they would come from the more affluent, i.e. near Shinrone
Occupation:
Farmer
Death:
1900 (age 84-85)
Name:
Elizabeth Phoebe LUCAS
Sex:
Female
Father:
-
Mother:
-
Birth:
1802
Son: Lucas ARMSTRONG
Name:
Lucas ARMSTRONG
Sex:
Male
Spouse:
Birth:
27 Dec 1834
death certificate says mother was Lucy Ellis not Hannah Lucas. This must be a corruption of Phoebe or Eliza Lucas
Emigration:
Jun 1857 (age 22)
from Melbourne Victoria6
Cheryl Marshall says Lucas was 20 on arrival in Melbourne per Algiers June 1857 - departed Liverpool 27 March 1857
Occupation:
Farmer per death c. Marriage c says Sergeant of Police,
Occupation:
1872 (age 37-38)
Innkeeper; Cassilis, New South Wales, Australia
Occupation:
Senior Sergeant of police
Occupation:
Proprietor Green Hills Hotel Cassilis
from 1867 to 1881
Occupation:
1881 (age 46-47)
Grazier; Berida
Death:
14 May 1915 (age 80)
Woolahra, New South Wales, Australia4
Cause: Influenza
Burial:
C Of E Cemetery Waverly, New South Wales, Australia4
Name:
William John ARMSTRONG
Sex:
Male
Birth:
1837
Shinrone, Offaly, Ireland5
Daughter: Phoebe ARMSTRONG
Spouse: James (Jnr) MCMAHON
Name:
Phoebe ARMSTRONG
Sex:
Female
Spouse:
Birth:
25 Mar 1839
The Longfellow birthday book (seemingly of James McMahon) says birth o f Phoebe was 25 March 1839
Emigration:
27 Mar 1864 (age 25)
to Sydney per Montrose8
Cause: Migrated per "Montrose" arrived Sydney 27 March 1864
Per Montrose
Religion:
Church of England
C.E. according to immigration list. She is burried in C.E Cemetry Waverly
Death:
10 Oct 1918 (age 79)
Darlinghurst, New South Wales, Australia7
Cause: Acute bronchitis and heart failure
Address: 297 Forbes St
Death Certificate says died at 77 years after 53 years in the colonies
Burial:
12 Oct 1918
C of E Cemetery, Waverley, New South Wales, Australia7
Section 14, Row 5 plot 7282
Son: Senior Warren ARMSTRONG
Name:
Senior Warren ARMSTRONG
Sex:
Male
Spouse:
Birth:
1842
Occupation:
Policeman RIC
He was appointed in the RIC on 20 Dec 1860. He resigned 7 March 1861 because of "Ill Health"
Emigration:
30 Jun 1862 (age 19-20)
to Melbourne per Lightning
"Lightning" arrived Melbourne 30 June 1862
Occupation:
Grazier
Occupation:
1867 (age 24-25)
Policeman11
Marriage cert gives occupation as policeman
Residence:
1867 (age 24-25)
Murrurundi, New South Wales
Death:
19 Sep 1923 (age 80-81)
Bingara, New South Wales, Australia12
Burial:
20 Sep 1923
C of E Cemetery, Bingara, New South Wales, Australia10
Daughter: Hannah Elizabeth ARMSTRONG
Spouse: Thomas George MCELLIGOTT
Name:
Hannah Elizabeth ARMSTRONG
Sex:
Female
Spouse:
Birth:
1851
Kings County Ireland
Death:
10 Feb 1928 (age 77)
Mount Prospect, Curraglass, Cork, Ireland13
Address: Mount Prospect
The Armstrong clan is very difficult to untangle. The following table shows how data from various sources is in conflict
Armstrong Facts and Fiction
Own DeathOwn MigrationOwn MarriageCheryl MarshalMidlands Ancestry
CertificateRecordCertificateEmailReport
Phoebe(Phebe)
NamePhoebePhebePhoebePhoebePhebe
Date of Birth1841184024 March 1838
Date of baptism5 April 1838
Place of birthKings County, IrelandMilltown, Kings County
FatherWilliam ArmstrongWilliamWilliam
MotherHannah LucasElizabethNot Rec
Migration when186427 March 1864
Migration perMontrose
Married toJames McMahon
Married atSydney NSWSydney
Date married186620 Oct 1866
Date of death10-Oct-18
Place of death297 Forbes St Sydney
Offspring
Lucas
NameLucasLucasLucas
Date of Birth183727 Dec 1834
Place of birthIreland
Date of baptismNo Rec
FatherWilliam ArmstrongWilliam
MotherLucy EllisEliza
Migration when1852 June 1857
Migration perAlgiers
Married toMary BraggettMary Braggett
Married atCassilis NSWC of E Mudgee
Date married18716 Jan 1865
Date of death14-May-15
Place of death188 Queen St Woollahra
OffspringWilliam, Thomas
Senior Warren
NameSenior WarrenSenior W
Date of Birth18421846
Date of baptism
Place of birthDublin IrelandKings County
FatherWilliam ArmstrongWilliam
MotherPhoebe LucasPhoebe Lucas
Migration when1863June 18621862
Migration perLightningLightning
Married toDorah DoolanDora Dolan
Married atSydney
Date married1868
Date of death19-Sep-23
Place of deathBingara NSW
OffspringLucas, Joseph, GeorgeGeorge ,William, Lucas, Joseph
William
NameWilliam
Date of Birth2 Jan 1837
Date of baptism29 Jan 1837
Place of birth
FatherWilliam
MotherElizabeth
Migration when
Migration per
Married to
Married at
Date married
Date of death
Place of death
Offspring
After long consideration I believe that the Armstrong clan goes like this.
William was married to Elizabeth(AKA Eliza) and they had 3 kids Lucas in 1834, William(AKA John) in 1837 and Phoebe(AKA Phebe) in 1838. These three were born in Shinrone Parish Kings County. For reasons unknown, William then had Senior Warren in 1842 in Dublin with Phoebe(Possibly AKA Hannah) Lucas. Elizabeth may have died between 1838 and 1842 or William may have left her and headed for the big smoke.
Email on Armstrong from Cheryl Marshal
From: Grahame Marshall [ajax10@bigpond.com]
Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 3:16 PM
To: jmcmahon@actewagl.net.au
Subject: Armstrong Family
Hello John,
I saw your post on Phoebe Armstrong(1842 _ 1918) in Genealogy. My Greatgrandfather Senior Warren Armstrong was born in Kings County ( now Offaly ) Ireland in 1846. He came to Australia on the ship Lighting in the year 1862. His father's name was William & his mother's was Phoebe Lucas.
My greatgrandmother was Dora Dolan, she came out from Ireland on the ship called Montrose on the 27th March 1864. I think your greatgrandmother & my greatgrandfather could have been related. My grandfather was Greoge and his brothers were william, Lucas, Senior (died as a baby) and Joseph.
Hoping to hear from you.
Cheryl Marshall
I am convinced that despite confusion creeping in from unreliable sources such as death certificates, there was only one pair of parents for the 5 Armstrong children and they were William Armstrong and Phoebe/Elizabeth Lucas. Even though Hannah and Senior Warren do not appear in the Midlands Ancestry report, they are siblings. I cannot yet explain why they were not in those records. There is evidence that Hannah and Senior claimed tro come from the Kilballyskeas area. It is possible that the family was out of that area when they were born.
Email from Cheryl Marshall dated 17 October 2005 states that Phoebe's mother's name was Phoebe
Baptismal Certificate. Pembrokeshire Record Office.
Ancestry.com Cheryl Marshal's Grieve family tree. Cit. Date: 27 November 1815. Ancestry.com.
letter from Marshal McMahon dated 24 June 1991. John McMahon.
Death Certificate. 1915/6660. John McMahon.
Report by Midland Ancestry on the Armstrong Family. John McMahon.
Eddie Braggett research see Lucas Armstrong notes.
Death Certificate. 1918/14049. John McMahon.
Assisted Immigrants Index to Sydney and Newcastle 1844-1859. John McMahon.
Email from Cheryl Marshall 17 October 2005 - in Family History Stuff in My Docs. Folder Family History Stuff.
Death Certificate. 1923/14022. John McMahon.
Marriage Certificate. Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (NSW). Tel: (02) 9228 8988.
Death Certificate. 14022/1923. John McMahon.
Ibid. 13 Feb 1928 0623002. John McMahon.